A few questions that DO need answering

[radish]

This was posted by the moderator in another section-

--------------------Let's keep the comments positive people. Personally, I think the truck looks absolutely fantastic.
We will not tolerate anyone bashing the efforts of other people's work here. That is simply unacceptable behavior and definitely not conducive to the cohesiveness of this forum.

As for conversations or debates that take place on "other forums", the standing rule is to leave those conversations there and not drag them here. This is exactly why we have this rule. Obviously tyhere werre things said on another forum that have overflowed here and have taken a negative tone.
If something decent can't be said about someone's efforts, then don't say anything at all, it's that simple.---------------------------------



Now for the million dollar question, --------- if you can not post anything about how somebody has built a model, then how in the heck, are they ever going to learn how to do it right?

So to placate the worst builders, you can only say to them, marvelous work, outstanding model and other stuff like that. This is just like patting a puppy on the head, saying nice doggy, what are the moderators afraid of, if someone says "thats wrong" with the model and "here's how to fix it".
How do novice modellers ever learn, how to do it the easy way and achieve better results, or, does everybody who belongs to this forum, now have to start to building models of the same calibre as the novice, so that your not upsetting the novice modellers feelings?

Now somewhere in the journey of life, someone, somewhere, somehow, someway is going to hurt your feelings, so what do you do, play ostriches by burying your head in the sand, or stand up and be counted, by taking advice or help from anybody willing to give it ?

These simple questions DO need to be answered by all on this forum, it's a free democratic society that I come from, so please be frank with your answers and may the majority rule.

regards radish

[Bri]

I'll be more than happy to answer your questions and do so in the same manner in which you addressed the other party in your post.
First of all, your post was negative across the board. There was nothing positive in your post. Second, you violated the rules by bringing your issues from the "other" forum to this one. Keep your issues and topics from other forums there, plain and simple. It's not a hard rule to grasp yet one you obviously either missed or blatantly disregarded.
Had you at least asked your questions in a constructive, polite manner, I would not have posted what I did. The atmosphere here is a positive one and as such, we will not let someone belittle or otherwise berate a fellow member. You wouldn't appreciate it if someone addressed your work in the way you addressed the truck in question, so show the same courtesy and respect you would want extended to you. Failing to do so will only subject your work to the same type of criticism you showed to your fellow modeler. It's all about respect, not only for your fellow forum members, but also for this forum as a whole.
The bottom line is, if you can't be respectful and polite in this forum, you won't be here long. There's nothing wrong with asking questions and addressing "issues" you might find with the work in question, but be respectful and polite in your posts.
I have yet to see anyone build the perfect model and it would do you good to remember that as well. This is a hobby that should be fun for all. Obviously the way you came across not only raised the ire of the builder in question, but also snagged my attention as well as the attention of others who found your posts way out of line and contacted me about it.

So, in closing, let me sum it up in simple terms. Everyone here deserves to be treated with respect. There's nothing wrong with CONSTRUCTIVE criticism of someone's work. However, use tact and be polite in your comments. Finally, as I stated in my response in the thread in question, leave your issues form other forums right where they belong, ON THE "OTHER" FORUM! Don't drag your issues and dirty laundry here because it won't be tolerated. You wanted "frank" answers and you got 'em. There shouldn't be any question left in anyone's mind how to treat one another here. If there is, then please feel free to contact me and I will try to spell it out in simpler terms. Now, let's move on.

[Deleted]

In reply to some of the questions from above. ( This is my opinion and not all of this forum ) That we have had some members start a war over some photos. That will not be tolerated here. People look at things differently and see different details than others. I might think something don't look right and will reply with " nice concept but I would have done it this way myself " which is a nice way of putting it. Or it could have been said "Why did you build it like that it looks like crap" which is not as nice. There are ways of getting your point across without being rude or corrupt about it. Give suggestions help people out instead of a complete slam to their ego. If you don't like someones build do one of two things. PM the person directly or do not comment on it. Its the way it gets worded in the post that gets the debates going.

For example.... John builds a Peterbilt 359. Its painted with TEMPRA paints. Not so greatly built. Heres a way to reply. Interesting paint scheme and I like how you put the headlights on but I would of put the brackets towards the bottom. You version gives it a twist. Or it could have been replied " What are you kidding that is the worst piece of CRAP I ever seen. Whats the matter mommy wont let you use her makeup to paint it?" The two ways above are examples of how to reply. In this example I said John built this. I didn't say john was only 10 years old. It's how it gets worded that can make or break this hobby. I for one would choose to word my reply because I don't know what the age limit is on the builder. Kids get disscourage alot faster than adults which is not a good thing to loose for the hobby. For this hobby to continue we need the younger aged interested so the modeling companies will produce to the tastes of all. Not just the older group.

I for one am the type person if I do not like something I will NOT reply to it. If I think it could be done differently then I will make subtle remarks not to offend the builder but to give them ideas of how to do better in the future.

This forum is made up of members of different ages, Races, Creeds, etc. and is for the hobby of model truck building. Not as a bashing point to insult or upset one another.

AS I STATED ABOVE: These are my opinions and I do not mean to express them to insult anyones intellegents or building technecs. Todd

[CATV8MAN]

May 28, 2009 5:38:46 GMT -5 Bri said:

I'll be more than happy to answer your questions and do so in the same manner in which you addressed the other party in your post.
First of all, your post was negative across the board. There was nothing positive in your post. Second, you violated the rules by bringing your issues from the "other" forum to this one. Keep your issues and topics from other forums there, plain and simple. It's not a hard rule to grasp yet one you obviously either missed or blatantly disregarded.
Had you at least asked your questions in a constructive, polite manner, I would not have posted what I did. The atmosphere here is a positive one and as such, we will not let someone belittle or otherwise berate a fellow member. You wouldn't appreciate it if someone addressed your work in the way you addressed the truck in question, so show the same courtesy and respect you would want extended to you. Failing to do so will only subject your work to the same type of criticism you showed to your fellow modeler. It's all about respect, not only for your fellow forum members, but also for this forum as a whole.
The bottom line is, if you can't be respectful and polite in this forum, you won't be here long. There's nothing wrong with asking questions and addressing "issues" you might find with the work in question, but be respectful and polite in your posts.
I have yet to see anyone build the perfect model and it would do you good to remember that as well. This is a hobby that should be fun for all. Obviously the way you came across not only raised the ire of the builder in question, but also snagged my attention as well as the attention of others who found your posts way out of line and contacted me about it.

So, in closing, let me sum it up in simple terms. Everyone here deserves to be treated with respect. There's nothing wrong with CONSTRUCTIVE criticism of someone's work. However, use tact and be polite in your comments. Finally, as I stated in my response in the thread in question, leave your issues form other forums right where they belong, ON THE "OTHER" FORUM! Don't drag your issues and dirty laundry here because it won't be tolerated. You wanted "frank" answers and you got 'em. There shouldn't be any question left in anyone's mind how to treat one another here. If there is, then please feel free to contact me and I will try to spell it out in simpler terms. Now, let's move on.

right on just show some respect for others

[astro1973]

I couldn't have said it any better, If you don't like it, don't comment on it. Or be nice about it. Show everyone respect, it's just a hobby. Everyone knows, my builds are lame, but EVERYONE has been nice when they comment about my builds. I wouldn't care if someone told me they suck but I know there are some that would have their feelings hurt. I do however get defensive when I see someone cutting down someone else's work. There is NO excuse for that. We all have to start somewhere. Well enough rambling on, Sorry if any of this doesn't make sense, but I think you know my point.

John

[cossett]

Hi astro1973,

I think it makes perfect sence what you said and other

If you haven't go anything good to say about someone don't say anything and keep negative comments to yourself

Cossett

[06impala]

Dude, Lighten up. Nobody was born a modeler. It takes practice,skill and imagination. I'm just getting back into the hobby and my skills aren' t like they were. Plus, my eyesight isn't the greatest either. So, bear with the folks whos abilities aren't to your liking. At least they're trying.

[super18]

I have read and re-read the thread in question...
And...
I don't seem to see anything negative being said. With that said...please don't start shooting....
Radish simply reminded him of something the builder said.
And complimented him on the detail he added...
As far as "slapped on some paint" well I would consider that a little constructive criticism.
Now for the hard part....
Sometimes someone of Radish's skills see a guy with potential and offers up advice...What is wrong with that?
I could relate a few stories about things like this from contests...But if you have ever entered one or judged one you already know!
I've seen models like Radish and Mountaindew get waxed by a "Slammer" at contests...Fair? Not really...Just judges trying not to hurt the feelings of a younger less talented aspiring modeler!

I would I hope get all the comments possible on a posted build...Good or bad!
Even if someone were to say that looks like terrible,try doing it this way!
You never know..that just might be the best way to do it!

I guess my way of thinking is to always try and reach the next level of my abilities.
And with the rising cost and scarcity of some these kits...they should be given the royal treatment almost every time.

Remember....This just my humble opinion.

Oh and by the by....Astro 1973....Your builds are anything but lame !

Sharon

[astro1973]

May 28, 2009 17:58:03 GMT -5 super18 said:

I have read and re-read the thread in question...
And...
I don't seem to see anything negative being said. With that said...please don't start shooting....
Radish simply reminded him of something the builder said.
And complimented him on the detail he added...
As far as "slapped on some paint" well I would consider that a little constructive criticism.
Now for the hard part....
Sometimes someone of Radish's skills see a guy with potential and offers up advice...What is wrong with that?
I could relate a few stories about things like this from contests...But if you have ever entered one or judged one you already know!
I've seen models like Radish and Mountaindew get waxed by a "Slammer" at contests...Fair? Not really...Just judges trying not to hurt the feelings of a younger less talented aspiring modeler!

I would I hope get all the comments possible on a posted build...Good or bad!
Even if someone were to say that looks like terrible,try doing it this way!
You never know..that just might be the best way to do it!

I guess my way of thinking is to always try and reach the next level of my abilities.
And with the rising cost and scarcity of some these kits...they should be given the royal treatment almost every time.

Remember....This just my humble opinion.

Oh and by the by....Astro 1973....Your builds are anything but lame !

Sharon

First off, I didn't want to make this about me! I just made a comment about what I think of my builds.

I didn't see it that way. If I did anything "wrong", on the stuff I build I would hope the better builders would offer up some advise. I honestly don't care how they word it, as long as it gets the point across. With that said, ANY OF YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO BE AS HARSH AS YOU WANT! Any advise helps. I'm always looking for ways to get better. I'm a big boy, I can handle criticizm.

THANKS!

John

[shuvlhd69]

May 28, 2009 17:06:40 GMT -5 06impala said:

Dude, Lighten up. Nobody was born a modeler. It takes practice,skill and imagination. I'm just getting back into the hobby and my skills aren' t like they were. Plus, my eyesight isn't the greatest either. So, bear with the folks whos abilities aren't to your liking. At least they're trying.

to which dude are you referring to

[Bri]

The bottom line is, any posts made here to anyone will be RESPECTFUL and polite. There's a difference between constructive criticism and bashing someone's efforts, whether intentional or not.
The majority of people who read the thread in question and contacted me saw it also to be disrepectful and rude. That tells you right there that it's more than just one person who interpreted it that way. I only read the thread AFTER I was hammered with pm's regarding the course of the posts.
So, as far as I'm concerned, this issue is dead. It's been addressed and all questions have been answered. Both parties originally involved have been here and read not only the original thread, but this one as well and no questions have been asked. That tells me the point has been made and I expect we will not have anymore trouble regarding this issue.
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